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Bah! [Apr. 19th, 2005|05:27 pm]
Discussing Civil Unions in New Zealand

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My boyfriend (a resident of NZ) informed me today that civil unions will not help with immigration (his brother worked on the campaign), which sucks because I'm a non-resident.

But I guess it doesn't really matter that much since the Immigration Service recognises same sex and defacto couples, so I just thought that was strange, that a transnational civil union doesn't hold as much weight as perhaps a transnational marriage does.

Any advice? Clarity? Thanks!
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Check out this couple... [Apr. 8th, 2005|09:13 pm]
Discussing Civil Unions in New Zealand
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As suggested, a warning. This article is barbaric and graphic, but interesting. Enter at your own risk!

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(no subject) [Apr. 8th, 2005|12:40 pm]
Discussing Civil Unions in New Zealand

There's an interesting article in the most recent Otago Gaily Times about the passing of the Bill - you can read it online here. There are contact details for a number of Dunedin area celebrants who are looking at applying to become celebrants for civil unions
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Hi all [Apr. 8th, 2005|11:15 am]
Discussing Civil Unions in New Zealand

I've been meaning to post a bit of an intro since this community started, and now's a good a time as any! My name's Lhizz, and I've been living with my partner Peter warpart since 1991. When we'd been together for about five years, we commemorated it with a pagan handfasting in Cornwall Park, Auckland, surrounded by friends, and when we went to the US in 1998, we picked up a "classy" souvenir - a drive-thru wedding in Las Vegas! We were going to get a matching Tijuana divorce, but it would have ended up too expensive so we remain legally married in the state of Nevada :)

So as you can probably see, I maintain a healthy scepticism about the institution of marriage. I've never really been interested in weddings as such, and I dislike many of the traditional conventions, like the idea of the father "giving away" the bride to the husband. I'm quite lucky in that my parents haven't put any pressure on me to get married, although things might change if/when we have a child. I think it's fundamentally unjust that, if my partner was female, I wouldn't have the freedom to pay my money and get a marriage license, where she would automatically become my legal partner and next of kin. I was a little divided when the Civil Unions Bill was first proposed, because part of me sees it as a compromise designed to placate those who don't have any business poking their noses into other people's relationships anyway. However, it's better than nothing at all and maybe one day we'll see gay couples with the same right to walk into the registry and get married if they want to.

I'm also still in two minds about getting a civil union. Politically, I want to show my support for it, and I like the idea of celebrating our love and commitment in as many different ways as possible (I must be a wedding collector :P) Plus I kinda like the idea of designing our civil union in a very personalised way, as well as it being a ceremony I could invite my family to. But I don't think either of us are really in any hurry to go through the drama and expense of arranging that sort of celebration, and, well frankly, we're quite happily puttering along the way we are. So I guess what I'm saying is that we might get one at some stage, but there's no rush :)

Anyway, I look forward to hearing about everybody's ideas and plans for their unions!
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(no subject) [Apr. 4th, 2005|11:19 pm]
Discussing Civil Unions in New Zealand
Hi, I'm Simon, a 19 year old student at Victoria University in Wellington. I'm here for a few reasons, the first of which being that I'm gay, and so definitely have an interest in civil unions (not to say that all gay people are proponents of civil unions) as the only legal form of recognition of homosexual relationships. I'm not of any age at which I'd consider a civil union, but like Tui said, being able to discuss it is something important to me. Quite apart from that, I endorse civil unions as an alternative form of legal recognition for de facto heterosexual couples - if I was straight, a civil union would still be the way to go for me due to both the religious associations and affiliations of marriage itself (as an Atheist, I have none whatsoever, and actually often find myself pointing out that marriage was never a religious institution to begin with), and, to a point, of the origins of marriage itself as a way for men to "own" women and whatever property came with them as a dowry (although the argument that civil unions are based on the same logic marriage is today, and if marriage is to be shunned for the situations concerning its invention, then so should civil unions). Basically, the general message is that I'm very much pro-civil unions, and that's why I'm here, although, again, like Tui, I'd much rather gay marriage to be an option alongside straight marriage and civil unions.
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(no subject) [Apr. 4th, 2005|10:15 pm]
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Er... *scratches head* Well, we're asked for an intro, so I suppose I'd oughta. :) I'm Tui, I'm 17 and I'm at university in Christchuch right now. Since I am only 17, I don't envision myself getting a civil union just yet... nevertheless, it's something that holds interest for me because I'm bi, so, you know, one wants to know about this sort of thing. ;) I'm also atheist, so in some ways the traditional marriage idea doesn't hold it for me, although I must say I would prefer a legal form of gay marriage to at least be an option.

Ah... not much else to say really, except feel free to pop over to the personal journal to say hi, and so forth. :)
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My intro... [Apr. 4th, 2005|08:58 pm]
Discussing Civil Unions in New Zealand

Well, I guess I should post an intro since I created this community. My name is Kari- I'm 24 & live in Dunedin. I started the community because I wanted to talk with others about civil unions and share ideas. My partner Mikey (baanana_pie) & I are considering obtaining a civil union. I've never really liked the idea of marriage - I have no religious connections with it, and I don't really like what I have seen of the concept of marriage throughout history (I'm something of a social history geek).

We see a civil union as a way to avoid all those connotations but have our defacto relationship strengthened more than it currently is. I also really don't like the whole wedding industry - the expensive traditions & expectations that so many people worry about where the real reason for the event is forgotten. Weddings are fine for those who want them, but I prefer simplicity, and don't like spending money on things that have inflated prices merely because they are wedding-related.

I also really like the idea of being able to be one of the first to obtain a civil union and be able to create the sort of ceremony Mikey & I want rather than following what other people have done - so we can personalise it and make it more meaningful.

Right, I guess that'll do for my intro for now..
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